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Elchistosito wrote: KirbyPKMNInkling wrote:

BartoszMikMik wrote: KirbyPKMNInkling wrote: They're on the last thread

I'm about to take a test so I can't post them right now yeah i prefer toy story  chara and neighbour get my oks on the poll

wait did i just call storyshift  toy story? Well I mean both are pretty good in my opinion, Storyshift is one of three Undertale AUs I actually like

So I'm obviously pleased

...also if Storyshift Chara makes it in should we also exclude any variations of Megalovania or not, because Megalovania is busted as hell as a source, but technically, it is CHARA'S theme, considering that's the motif used in the Song that Might Play When You Fight Chara, and not the Megalo Strikes Back that's completely unrelated to Undertale that's still associated with Chara anyways, so Megalovania, logically, should be in her sources.

.....let's have this discussion for if she actually makes it in.

Also yes, I'm pretty sure it was confirmed Storyshift Chara was a she. So no gender debates please. Megalovania=sans

Megalo strike back=chara

The creator of story shift is a megalochara fan (a guy who thinks megalovania is chara theme and not sans theme) but the smash megalovania reveals megalovania is sans theme... Megalovania is Chara's theme purely just by the name, while STMFWYFS is clearly Sans' just by it's leitmotifs. (being a remix of sans. with Bonetrousle put in, i.e. he's avenging his bother)

Megalovania is based on the word "Meglomania", which considering Megalovania itself was based on a song by that title from Live a Live, still fits.

meg·a·lo·ma·ni·a

/ˌmeɡələˈmānēə/

noun
 * 1) obsession with the exercise of power, especially in the domination of others.


 * 1) *delusion about one's own power or importance (typically as a symptom of manic or paranoid disorder).

Let's look at the circumstances of every time Megalovania has showed up in Toby's work, including it's original inspiration.

Megalomania from Live a Live: Theme of the Odio, a very spoiler-heavy character I can't talk about, but as revenge for how he was treated, puts multiple incarnations of himself thoughout time, specifically the time periods the other main characters come from, and if you loose and he kills the heroes, he'll wipe out literally all of time and space. Mostly definitely a megalomaniac but it makes sense seeing as how he was driven mad with despair and angst.

Megalovania from EarthBound: Halloween Hack: The player character (default name Varik) faces off with Dr. Andonuts, a guy previously harmless. However in this dark alternate timeline the usual EarthBound protagonists went to go fight Giygas, but somehow the machine messed up, giving them an unknown fate worse than death. Keep in mind Dr. Andonuts was the creator of the Phase Distorter. Keep in mind one of the protagonists is Jeff, his own son. This Varik fellow, he's come to slay a monster, and to pulverise anyway in the way of his goal. Andonuts is so guilt-ridden he sees himself as the monster, flees from Varik thinking he's come to murder him, then after a trip into his mind via one of his devices that I think contains Giygas maybe? i haven't actually watched all of it since I aim to play it some day, Varik literally brutalizes Andonuts' Id (a part of the mind in Freudian theory that controls instinctual, repressed, or antisocial desires -dictionary.com), personified as a massive disgusting horrifying creature constantly wracked with Andonuts' guilt and sorrow that is so damn depressed it doesn't even bother to put up a fight and resigns itself to it's death. Andonuts himself shows up and..... well. You've found Giygas, congradulations. You've also destroyed all of this man's empathy along with his guilt and sorrow, as he says, the only thing left, is rage. This man geniunely has nothing to life for, but you've destroyed his town, terrorized him and ruined his life with your fuckery. And he's right next to a massive source of psychic power. tl;dr You're fucked. See definition two for megalomania.

Megalomania from Mother: Cognitive Dissonance, really the only one that doesn't really fit, but kind of. You're fighting the Paradox, the lost kids from Halloween Hack's timeline, but warped to unrecognizablity and melded with Giygas, the warped destroyed mind of your brother Gigue, a genocidal alien who wishes to destroy humanity. While it doesn't work very well in this context, it certainly works for Gigue himself in Mother and by extention Giygas in EarthBound.

MeGaLoVania form Homestuck Vol. 6: Heir Transperant, despite it's association with Vriska, it actually fits much more closely with Bec Noir, a character that also shows up in the flash it plays in [S] Wake, but works for both. Bec Noir is a force of pure destruction created when a dude named Jack Noir got fed up with the way he was treated and killed some folks that got powers and appearances from what the kids prototyped. (or in other words, used to enter the game) getting all of their powers. Later on Jade Harley prototypes her ridiciously powerful dog Bequeral, which it's revealed to be a First Guardian basically being an all-powerful entity acting as a guardian for humanity who's lived on her island for millions of years. Meaning an omnicidial dude who's currently going around killing people and trolls left and right has these powers. Cue him fuckin slicing literal moons in half that have people living on them in [S] Wake. Also going on in that flash, Vriska the manipulative bitch who has the ability to mind control other literally kills one of her own friends because he was standing in her way of her selfish single minded goal of fighting Bec Noir and being "the hero" who "saves" everyone, ascending to a more powerful form in the process. (although it's technically less worse than it sounds since he comes back due to the fact the trolls are all trapped in a video game and thus respawn but still, respawning doesn't erase corpses or memories of events and poor Tavros who's a pretty sweet character in the comic was obviously kinda tramatized from being betrayed by a aquaintance then, being taunted with his own legs [he's an amputee with robot legs], stabbed through the chest multiple times with his own weapon, then just discarded off a cliff like garbage while Vriska smiled down at him) Needless to say, BOTH qualify pretty well as being power-hungry megalomanics, Bec Noir because he literally is that powerful being definition 1, and Vriska due to her giant-ass ego being definition 2, but her spiteful killing of Tav definitely fitting in with the domination aspect of definition 1.

MEGALOVANIA from Undertale, the human has mercilessly slaughtered their way across the Underground, killing anyone and anything they come across, the only monsters that aren't dead was because they either died or escaped, it's even revealed Alphys suicides out of despair seeing you one-shot Mettaton. This human, is so twisted that noboby they come across considers them so, Frisk is buried within, locked unable to do anything to stop their slaughter regardless of it the thing controlling them is Chara or the player, and depending on if you've done anything before then, is forced to watch themself slaughter those monsters and their friends from the previous timeline all the monsters they've befriended and have happy memories with, brutalized to dust in front of them. Sans stands before them. They've killed literally the only thing he holds dear anymore in his depression, but considering what they've done, he can't allow a being like them to kill Asgore for the souls and be set loose on humanity. He knows he can't stop them, they're a steamroller of a killing machine, he knows his death before it even happens, but he's going to make god damn well you fucking suffer for your actions, and the despair and injustice you've rought on this world. He's no longer a goofy funball, his entire aura is one of duty, menace and cold-hearted fury, he's not some goofy lovable bag of bones, he's an undead revenant with powers larger than anything you've seen before save possibly a literal reality-controlling abomination, hell-bent on making you suffer and 'die. 'Cue first attack, then cue music. This is serious shit.

Every single time it plays, it's the penultimate climax of the game, save for Homestuck, which is excused since it's a webcomic with multiple parts, but even then. Two literal planets of plot importance are being destroyed, as a character dead for the entire comic reawakens and Vriska shows how truely batshit she is in obeying her own goals and how little she values people at that time, there may have been other climaxes in the comic later down the road, but Wake was pretty damn impactful for readers and fans at the time. Megalovania ONLY plays in times of extreme despiration when everything is/will be/or is currently being lost, and the protagonist (with the exception of Cognitive Dissonance) truely shows how fucking evil and irredemable they are, everything has lead up to this moment for ages, this is the big payoff. It may be overused now, but within it's original context it's pretty easy to see why it became so popular through it's impactfulness any time it shows up. It's not Sans' theme, he's not the megalomaniac with a lust for destruction and power, that's YOU(/Chara depending on player interpratation) in every instance it's a player character in that role, and an extremely impactful moment when it isn't. (Odio, [S] Wake) Sans is just trying to protect the world from your actions, and fighting to avenge his brother, he's the hero here, not you and Song That Might Play When You Fight Sans really shows that, it's the true theme of the fight from his perspective. But we aren't playing as him are we?