Category talk:Memes

What is a meme?

 * "A miserable smol pile of dankness!"

So, people are talking about "h3h3 theme" being or not a meme. Let's put this to a vote, not only about this but jokes in general. Here's an arbitrary rule: something can be considered a meme if it has been used at least 6 times in at least 3 different game series (to prevent game-related jokes falling into this category). Is anyone good with this or do you have suggestions? And final question: does h3h3 have these requirements? A Fanclorn user (talk) 15:56, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Just for the record, I'm completely fine with "h3h3 theme" being called a meme. I just want there to be some clear definition of when a reference becomes a meme. Your definition works fine, though I'm not sure that the "at least 3 different game series" part is necessary. Game-specific memes are still memes, aren't they? As for the number of appearances – how about 5+ appearances for minor meme status, 10+ appearances for regular meme status, and 15+ appearances for major meme status? HughMungusEsq (talk) 18:01, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

I like this 5-10-15 gradation system. =) And for the +3 games its just to prevent series in-jokes. I don't have specific examples in mind, so I will fabricate one: imagin if all Kingdom Hearts rips started with the Disney logo for whatever reason, but really only the KH rips, I wouldn't call that a meme, just a kinda running gag that mostly speaks to those who know the game. If the logo started appearing for no reason at the beginning of an Undertale rip, it would then be considered as "a ref to the KH rips". THEN imagin it appeared again in a Def Jam: Fight for NY rip, only then I would consider that the meme has started a life on its own. That's my logic anyway. Now that I think about it I actually have a perfect exemple: the Minion-Man from Despicable Me: Minion Rush. Would you call him a meme? Cause I wouldn't. (A Fanclorn user (talk) 19:58, April 24, 2017 (UTC))

Thanks, glad you like the idea! Those numbers, though, are up for debate. E.g. after some thinking I'm starting to doubt that 15 appearances would be enough for a meme to get major meme status. Maybe 20 or even 25? What do you think? As for your explanation of the 3+ games rule, I get your point. But if things like the Minion-Man aren't memes, what are they? They definitely deserve to be featured on this wiki, imo. One more thing: I suggest that only specific melodies/samples/characters/animations/etc should be memes. E.g. I don't think Touhou can be called a meme, since it's too broad. But I might be mistaken, what are your thoughts? HughMungusEsq (talk) 23:05, April 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * My two-cents is that there are certain ideas, shows, or songs that have spread throughout the public consciousness, such as Harambe and Pepe the Frog, that are memes because they are spread (and have spread) so far and easily, even outside of their original contexts. Granted, just because they are frequently on other well-known sites/channels doesn't mean they deserve to be on this wiki, which deals with SiIvaGunner. But yeah, I agree that there has to be some requirement for the number of appearances of a joke in order to make it a meme. Maybe not 15 or even 25 appearances, since there are literally over five thousand SiIvaGunner rips, and the best example of a "major" meme has been GRAND DAD, which has appeared in hundreds. Maybe our categorization of major memes should be something numbering in at least 50 rips, or something in regards to how relevant it is to SiIvaGunner. For example, lore is a meme that isn't actually in a lot of rips, but is referenced by YouTube comments, built on by other memes (Sans is Ness), and referenced in major videos like the SiIvaGunner 1-year anniversary vid.


 * There is also the problem that, as with A Fanclorn user's example with Kingdom Hearts, in-jokes of a certain community would be considered memes if enough rips were made of that community. As another example, the melodies from Undertale appear in other rips, but these are mostly to make a nod to Undertale instead of to further the "meme" of something like Grand Dad. Also, to address Minion-Man, I don't think I've seen him in any other rips, and indeed he seems to be a statement of how stupid Minions are to the SiIvaGunner team.~ironwestie (talk to me) 00:05, April 25, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, of course, this wiki should only catalogue SiIvaGunner memes. Some memes are memes both outside SiIvaGunner and on SiIvaGunner's channel (e.g. WANO), they're of course catalogued here too. The key part is that they should be a meme on SiIvaGunner's channel. You got a point about the number of appearances for major memes needing to be higher. How about, 5+ or 10+ appearances for minor meme, 25+ appearances for a regular meme, and 50+ appearances for a major meme? And you got a point in the last part of your comment, too. I think memes like lore are meta-memes, ones that don't appear in specific rips but rather affect the channel as a whole. What do you think? HughMungusEsq (talk) 15:18, April 25, 2017 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about making a page named Comment Memes to list the most important meta-memes like Dedede Army, Haiku, JoJokes and all. I was also thinking of making Dedede Army its own page, since it was referenced in the Large Gains ARG ("Unfortunately, the Grandian Penguins have recently gone extinct.") And for the moment, the main problem is we clearly don't have enough pages on this wiki to have a clear scope of the situation (like, exactly how many time 7 GRAND DAD or Snow halation have been used for example). So for now I say we accept anything people want to add as meme. Only when we will have enough page to compare could we say how many appearance is a minor/major meme, and if X or Y minor meme is important enough to keep here. But as a temporary number, I say 10-25-50 seems reasonable. (A Fanclorn user (talk) 16:09, April 25, 2017 (UTC))
 * Comment Memes is a great idea! Btw, the DeDeDe army is also referenced in Slot Machine (Beta Mix). And yeah, good point about there being not enough rip pages on the wiki yet. Maybe the minor-regular-major meme differences should be a plan for the future, once we get enough rip pages. Right now, it might be enough to agree on the lowest threshold, how many appearances (in at least 3 different games) are enough for something to be a meme. HughMungusEsq (talk) 17:46, April 25, 2017 (UTC)