Thread:Ironwestie/@comment-120.22.3.27-20190204053030/@comment-120.22.20.221-20190204211338

Ironwestie wrote: I went through the situation, and I've come to a conclusion; he's innocent. You still haven't answered the most important question: Why do you care? Who are you to say "I went through the situation" when you claim to be an uninvolved bystander? How do I know you aren't affiliated with MrMemely?

The harassment isn't his fault. If there were trolls that happened to go apon a user and witchhunt/harass them, it isn't the user's fault, that's not how it works. As a moderator for some discord servers, I know, if there is a raid going on, and they are talking about some guy, I don't automatically go "Oh, this guy is responsable, gotta ban them for life!", that's not how it works. Again, what proof do you have that he was "witchhunted"? All of the posts I've received have exclusively been from "friend accounts" (according to this "heartfelt" apology) that call for MrMemely to be unbanned. What sort of trolls try to get a person unbanned? Why would they waste their time?

On another hand, how do I know you aren't another troll trying to make things worse for MrMemely? You need more proof.

I understand you don't want drama, but don't refer to it as "your site". Just because you're a mod doesn't mean you can do anything you want. The owner of this site is the co-owner of siivagunner, it's his site, not yours. This is a fan-run wiki created by one of our admins. It is not affiliated with or run by any members of the SiIvaGunner team, though they have given their blessing to this site. I can do anything I want, but I choose to arbitrate as fairly as I can so that I maintain a good wiki community. I have the ultimate say on a great many matters, but I choose to let the community decide on them, because that is what a good administrator does. This is the site I protect and cultivate, so I can call it "my site".

If you find someone you don't like, don't ban them. As so far as I've researched, he didn't cause trouble "since arriving". He was innocent until the fourm post, don't act like he's satan. You haven't provided any justification for your points. What "research" suggests that he is innocent of refusing to stop talking about his forum post? Here's my research:
 * [//siivagunner.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:20441?action=history https://siivagunner.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:20441?action=history] -- where he talks about his ban in a thread
 * Thread:20445 - the original thread where he refuses to stop talking about his inappropriate post
 * Thread:20718 - this is another reply to a concerned person that links all of the posts sent to me about this issue.
 * Having looked up "Mr Meme" on the SiIvaGunner Discord, I see several messages corroborating the idea that MrMemely has used multiple accounts to harass people about being unbanned from the Discord
 * Xarlable posted this summary of why he was banned to the Discord:

@pepper the reason for mr meme or whatever his name is to be banned wasnt just that he came in and screamed IM DEPRESSED in a very rude, attention whorey way, he kept interrupting people to say something like 'please shut up, im depressed. why are you talking about other things' multiple times. you can look up on this channel and see his posts this breaks rule 1, ironically the same rule the other new person (a friend or alt) was trying to use against us later after that, since he was being an asshole we muted him. he then went on to dm a bunch of mods to be unmuted. when some mods told him why he was muted and why he wasnt getting unmuted straight away, he started dming random active members from here to ask the mods to unmute him. this is extremely annoying and dming random people for dumb shit like that just because he didnt get his way with the mods deserves a ban after being banned he threatened us (lol) and complained that he was banned for no reason, and then his friend/alt joined to ask for him to be unbanned theres the whole story i wont come down on anyone here for saying theyre depressed, even though i really dont wanna hear about that shit in this server and anyone who does it instantly opens themselves up for people to shit on them for having a lack of social tact but throwing a tantrum whenever you scream IM DEPRESSED and 50 random people dont instantly come to your aid........ He has a track record of being disruptive in message boards, and he wants attention. He also does not respect the decisions of moderators, and will resort to harassing people to get himself unbanned.

I only ban people from the wiki if they have shown they are nothing but trouble (for example, adding vandalism, spamming on articles, and harassing people). I usually make the ban temporary, but the headache this has caused has solidified that this must be permanent.

As for your third point, it's possible he went into extroudinary detail into it, which I believe. I've done simular things with reports. That's total bullshit. You said you "believe" "it's possible", which immediately screams "I'm MrMemely pretending to be someone uninvolved". If you were uninvolved, you would admit that this was the case, otherwise you could not know about it.

Your response of "respecting his ban and not posting or contacting anyone" is bad. Respecting your ban means no ban evation, he never did that. Trolls decided to go as him and cause trouble to get him permabanned, which worked. Remember: don't feed the trolls. MrMemely did not respect his original one year ban, which you have agreed is fair. I've received several messages calling me to unban him, and even one accusing me of being an "sjw" for banning him in the first place. Again, I have no reason to suspect they are "trolls" and not some friends of MrMemely (again, corroborated by another post where he admits to using "friend accounts"). To be clear, respecting your ban means not posting about it any more. That means telling people to stop posting about it, not saying anything about it here, and taking your ban, whether it be a year or forever. This is the same behavior he displayed on the Discord, and a user like this is not welcome here.

I recommend checking the IP for all of them, all of them are different. Yes, that is true. However, MrMemely has shown that he can change his IP address, which he has done at least twice now. How do I know that these people didn't do this at MrMemely's request?

Overall: I think I agree with OP. He should be unbanned for a year, what he did originally was horrible, but the "harassment" isn't his fault. The harassment is his fault regardless of whether it was trolls (which you haven't proven) or some ploy by him to get unbanned. His behavior online has shown he is simply vying for attention, and he will make up stories and use other accounts to harass people. What's more he admits to the harassment in Thread:20891, so there is no ambiguity about whether or not he is responsible.

His ban is permanent. Hi, it's me again.

It's most likley that the other was also a troll, and that he made another apology.

If you're trying to make a good effort for the community, why did you ban him permanently? I asked some mods who also run wikis, and all of them said it was an 18 month ban, not infinte.

He said he can't change his IP. He only has 1 IP. How dumb are you? Seriously, are you a dodo?

I just talked about it with him again, he said he tried to contact you throught discord, but it seems he can't find you, so it's most likley the "Apology" is another troll.

"Respecting your ban" isn't ignoring it, if you're banned for a dumb reason, you should appeal it, and you're even being rude about it. I didn't go on after Xarbles post because MrMemely is trying to contact them and apologize, but he can't get any contact, proving you're being as arrogant as allthefoxes.

He doesn't have a track record. He only made one post, stop lying to get everything you want, asshole.

I'm not MrMemely lol, stop accusing everyone of being a "sock-puppet" so you can ban anyone you want. Jesus christ, you're acting like a child who got a macintosh instead of that radical gaming pc.

If you're trying to make a good wiki community, why are you being arrogant, annoying, rude, obnoxious, idiotic, lazy and harrasing some guy because he made a "bad faith post" (he doesn't even know what that means.)

I might wikia about this situation, this is agaisnt the ToS, you aren't allowed to harass, be arrogant, insult, ect. because you want to get your own way. You completely ignored my arguement about how you should either blame Keem or pewdiepie. I care because I want FANDOM to be a nice enviroment and I don't want assholes like you banning everyone in sight because you didn't get your own way.